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  ?Anyone read CoC and not been affected?

  by lookingnow22 in

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  does anybody know of ..anybody that has read coc and not been affected so as to leave/question the society?

  i myself haven't read it, but am curious about this.. thanks,.

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  For what ever it's worth, I knew Ray personally as well as most of the players mentioned in his books, during my tenure at Bethel in the mid to late sixties. Any Bethelite who was there during this time knows, as I do, that all of what Ray relates is dead-on accurate.
  It must be remembered that, to a man, all of the Bethel family members tarred with the ``apostate'' brush, wer among the most respected and hardest working. To my knowledge no JW apologist has ever succeeded in refuting any of the information in both of his books.
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  a sign of the end?

  by peaceloveharmony in

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  the end is near!

  i can't believe what i've read today in the news!!

  check this out:.

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  And why not? Also ominously, the French are drinking less wine!
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  JWs: They Don't Make 'Em Like They Used To

  by Room 215 in

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  one thought for long-time dubs..... the wts's interminable bragging about their ``spiritual paradise'' and ``nation of ministers'' aside, there are signs that the leadership is hip to the flagging commitment on the part of the rank and file.

  notice how the summer district conventions have shrunk over the years.

  what would the attendance figures would look like if the gb tried to revive the old practice of eight-day assemblies, with sessions lasting until 9:00 p.m. every day?

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  Joelbear,
  Well taken. Just as Karl Klein is reported to have said of Fred Franz: ``He can rationalize anything.'' So they deserve credit for cleverly invoking 2 Tim 3: 1-5 as the reason they've shortened the assembly schedules; it reinforces the myth that times are getting harder and harder as we approach the end.
  It never dawns on them that ``critical times hard to deal with'' are exactly what they're experiencing.
  For this, we can thank to the inexorable passing of time ``in this old world'' well beyond what they had imagined, and in no small measure to the emergence of internet, and their inability to stifle the free flow of disclosure under the cloak of anonymity.
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  Are Elders Out of Control?

  by metatron in

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  i remember a time when the society exercised a significant.

  degree of discipline over elders.

  brothers were commonly.

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  The short answer, of course, is YES.
  Emboldened by a judicial system that basically tells that if we shirk on due dligence before we join up, we deserve whatever consequences befall us, the WTBTS and its local lackeys feel empowered to run rough-shod over the sheep.
  This will continue unless or until Caesar bloodies their noses. I'm convinced that all it would take for a liberalization back to mid-fifties dfing policies is for the Society to lose one big lawsuit, with an attendant seven-figure judgment. With them, money doesn't just talk, it fairly SCREAMS! (See Swaggart, France, etc.)
  Sadly, I don't see anything like this on the horizon.
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  Elders- "Trained or UnTrained- WHICH IS IT??

  by JT in

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  the biggest error wt has continued to make for the last 120yrs is they leave a wonderful paper trail behind - where a serious student of study will have no problem following and seeing that so many of their lofty claims simply don't fly .

  case in point - are the elders trained or untrained clergymen as it were?.

  well for those of you who have never served as an elder allow me to share with you what elders are told about their training.

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  It's been my experience that most of these guys, even the well-intentioned ones, are masters at making a bad situation worse.
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  JWs: They Don't Make 'Em Like They Used To

  by Room 215 in

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  one thought for long-time dubs..... the wts's interminable bragging about their ``spiritual paradise'' and ``nation of ministers'' aside, there are signs that the leadership is hip to the flagging commitment on the part of the rank and file.

  notice how the summer district conventions have shrunk over the years.

  what would the attendance figures would look like if the gb tried to revive the old practice of eight-day assemblies, with sessions lasting until 9:00 p.m. every day?

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  One thought for long-time dubs....
  The WTS's interminable bragging about their ``Spiritual Paradise'' and ``Nation of Ministers'' aside, there are signs that the leadership is hip to the flagging commitment on the part of the rank and file.
  Notice how the summer District Conventions have shrunk over the years. What would the attendance figures would look like if the GB tried to revive the old practice of eight-day assemblies, with sessions lasting until 9:00 p.m. every day? Just imagine that.
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  Why "God's Name" Doesn't Mean "J...

  by metatron in

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  witnesses get indoctrinated with scriptures that refer.

  to "the name of my father".

  by means of these texts,.

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  Well put, Metatron,
  In contrast with current JW usage of ``Jehovah,'' when addressing a personage of high station, society regards an indiscrimate use of one's personal name as disrespectful, an unseemly overfamiliarity that detracts from, rather than ennobles, the stature of its object... in short an abuse.
  Use of a proper title, usually descriptive of the object's special or unique stature, is an acknowledgement of the object's worthiness to that special or unique office which the title confers.
  To me, overuse devalues rather than promotes respect for the object, and often smacks of superstition (as though it were a talisman or ``magic word'').
  Besides, I shudder to think how my dad would have reacted had I
  I tried to call him ``Joe''
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  Lack of brotherly love at the DC

  by noidea in

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  i sat at the dc today (yawn!

  ) trying to keep myself entertained i looked around and was wondering to myself how many that were there today were lurkers, trolls & fred halls.

  what were the possibilities that some may have even read some of my comments.

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  Hi all,
  Forgive me, but I just don't get it. What's the rush to get multiple copies of a book that they probably won't be able to give away in a couple months' time? Or are you afraid they'll revise it with ``new light'' before it reaches general distribution?
  Maybe it's unfair of me to pan a book I've not seen (nor do I particularly care to) but correct me if it isn't another of those boring attempts at self-validation alla ``Pay Attention to Daniel's Prophecy") by attempting to force their modern history into the words of Hebrew prophet, like jamming a square peg into a round hole.

  To all faithful dubs: prepeare yourself for another couple years of interminable drivel at the Tuesday night study. No wonder we're hemmhoraging the young ones by the bucketful.
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  Political Activism? JWs?

  by Room 215 in

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  or more specifically, in france?

  jws demonstrating and handing out leaflets of protest to the public (see the 1 sept. 2001 wt)?

  i recall a similar instance here in nyc when the rank and file was called upon to march in protest against a decision of local government against a building expansion project in brooklyn heights?

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  What's going on here? Or more specifically, in France? JWs demonstrating and handing out leaflets of protest to the public (see the 1 Sept. 2001 WT)? I recall a similar instance here in NYC when the rank and file was called upon to march in protest against a decision of local government against a building expansion project in Brooklyn Heights? (a funny anecdote relating to that incient was attributed to then-mayor of NYC Ed Koch who peered down on the protesters and quipped ``look at them.... all that andf not a vote among them!'').
  It sure seems that these ``rock solid'' tenets of True Faith become quite elastic when the Society's monetary interests are under assault. What's galling about this is one knows just how quickly one huge, nose-bloodening monetary judgement against them in a shunning case will suddenly cause the ``light'' to shine more brightly from above, leading flashes of insight and an immediate reversion to pre-1981 df policies, all draped in appropriately sanctimonius language, draped in scripure after scripture.
  Yes friends, it's all about the money.

  Anyway, my 2 cents for today.
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  bethel

  by musky in

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  i am curious.

  how many here have served time at or have relatives that have served at bethel?

  i have heard different stories when people came back.

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  I was at Bethel for four years in the mid- to late-sixties, and found it to be a positive experience, mainly becuase of the lifelong friendships formed. At the time, a fairly liberal wind blew through the corridors, and the unspoken rule that it was okay to air your gripes about pretty much anything as long as you did it among friends and didn't make waves, especially among the locals in your cong. One did rather quickly get disabused of any idealism or naive notions.... such an attitude, everyone acknowledged was the sure sign of a ``new boy'' or an ``S.R." (self-righteous).
  I think it's a fair guess that ex-Bethelites and other full-timers make up the larger proportion of today's disaffected.